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Old July 31st, 2010, 06:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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HFT quote stuffing

ZeroHedge has a good article today on quote stuffing:

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Read the article, but here is a sample:

07-23-10
BATS "Stubby Triangles". Drop the quote from a valid price to 0.001 and then back up to a lower price level. When the new price level hits 0.001 as well, do it all over again at approx. 380 times a second.



07-23-10
NASDAQ "Flutter". 4000 quotes in 2 seconds, alternating the bid price/size in 3 increments and effecting the Best Bid along the way.



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Old July 31st, 2010, 06:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Page not found error?

Maybe you it requires an account with them?
Try it again, refresh this page, I updated the link.

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Old July 31st, 2010, 06:15 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old August 1st, 2010, 03:04 AM   #6 (permalink)
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can xtrader do that on cl? let me know, thanks.

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can xtrader do that on cl? let me know, thanks.
Did you see a pattern you can exploit?

How can your system spot that pattern in real-time?

How can your system execute to exploit that pattern in real-time?

I haven't looked at the original data and Mike's post is third hand, but this is stuff for signal analysis and pattern recognition. Look at the x-axis of those charts. It's milli or micro seconds.

Interesting, though. And no, X_Trader won't do that for you. RTD Tango could if you were really good with C++.

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can xtrader do that on cl? let me know, thanks.
Quote stuffing does not occur in futures due to messaging limits.

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Quote stuffing does not occur in futures due to messaging limits.
Is the ratio still 4 to 1 on ES? And do you think they actually call the fines due, or is it just fluff?

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Is the ratio still 4 to 1 on ES? And do you think they actually call the fines due, or is it just fluff?

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4 to 1 on the ES and yes, they do fine. But your broker may have clients with low ratios so it balances out. I had a friend who was fined last year. I have never personally been fined, but I do watch my ratios.

Products have different ratios. ES is the lowest at 4:1 The CL is 25:1, grains around 50:1 , interest rates 10:1.

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