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 Slipknot511 
Springfield,Missouri, USA
 
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By default, the Static DOM will be enabled. You will not be able to place any trades, chart trader or DOM, unless you purchase credits. If you do not want to purchase credits, you need to contact NinjaTrader support and ask them to disable the Static DOM. Then you will be able place trades with the chart trader. I do not know about the dynamic DOM as I never use it.
If you try to place a trade before doing all this, you'll just get an error message. Unfortunately, you can't have an in-between where you have credits and only pay them when you actually use the Static DOM. It's all or nothing. The option to use/not use the Static DOM can only be set through NT Support, not through your local preferences.

It seems like a lot of hassle with DDT, but trust me, these fees are built into all the other brokers also. At least with DDT, you have the choice to opt-out of some of the extra charges. Everything is transparent. Some of the other brokers who offer "free" NinjaTrader will not reduce your commissions even if you already have your own license. So you end up paying for NT twice.

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  #42 (permalink)
 hoeman 
VT, USA
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: NinjaTrader, AmiBroker, IB TWS
Broker: Mirus/Zen-Fire, IB
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Hi, so just to clarify, checking the commission schedule, it is 3.32 R/T for the eminis and an additional .10 per side using NT from the platform page, bringing it to 3.42 R/T. Then we have to add the .10 per side TT credits and so it comes out to 3.62 R/T. Am I right? It's still a good deal if that's the case, but I'd just like to clarify. Also, would it be cheaper if I don't go with their datafeed? I've been thinking about getting DTNIQ for the internals.

Thanks!

p.s. what do you mean by "Some of the other brokers who offer "free" NinjaTrader will not reduce your commissions even if you already have your own license. So you end up paying for NT twice." ?

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 resist 
Berlin Germany /Alicante Spain
 
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Hi, so just to clarify, checking the commission schedule, it is 3.32 R/T for the eminis and an additional .10 per side using NT from the platform page, bringing it to 3.42 R/T. Then we have to add the .10 per side TT credits and so it comes out to 3.62 R/T. Am I right? It's still a good deal if that's the case, but I'd just like to clarify. Also, would it be cheaper if I don't go with their datafeed? I've been thinking about getting DTNIQ for the internals.

Thanks!

p.s. what do you mean by "Some of the other brokers who offer "free" NinjaTrader will not reduce your commissions even if you already have your own license. So you end up paying for NT twice." ?

I understood that commision is 3.32 RT + 0.05 each side using NT so 3.42 alltogether.
If you use e.g. Mirus / NT you don´t get price change if you own NT or not - but if you have own license you can use ATM / DOM / Chart trader included if you have not purchased or leased you cannot make any ATM´s.

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 hoeman 
VT, USA
 
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I pay $3.50 RT for the ES. $2.14 for T-Notes.

@Slipknot511 Hi, I just contacted Howard to open an account with them and my commissions came up to 3.62 R/T for the ES. How did you get 3.50?

ES = $1.66 per side

NT = .05 cents per side (For "Chart Trader" or "Dynamic SuperDom")

TT = .10 cents per side additional (For "Static SuperDom" thru TT credits on Ninja website)

Grand Total = $1.81 per side (or $3.62 RT) + $60 monthly if you lease Ninja (or $0 monthly if you own the Ninja Lifetime License).

The only way it makes sense that you have 3.5 R/T is that you didn't pay the .05 per side for Chart Trader or Dynamic SuperDOM, and before the 0.01 per side increase for NFA fees, so you got 1.65 per side + .10 per side = 1.75 per side = 3.5 R/T.

No doubt 3.62 is still a great commission and I'm definitely going with them, but I'm wondering if I can get it down to 3.52.

Also, what margins do you have trading the ES? Is your margin structure the same as Mirus, including the time-frame the day-trade margin is in effect?

Thanks Slipknot511!

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 bluemele 
Honolulu, Hawaii
 
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@Slipknot511 Hi, I just contacted Howard to open an account with them and my commissions came up to 3.62 R/T for the ES. How did you get 3.50?

ES = $1.66 per side

NT = .05 cents per side (For "Chart Trader" or "Dynamic SuperDom")

TT = .10 cents per side additional (For "Static SuperDom" thru TT credits on Ninja website)

Grand Total = $1.81 per side (or $3.62 RT) + $60 monthly if you lease Ninja (or $0 monthly if you own the Ninja Lifetime License).

The only way it makes sense that you have 3.5 R/T is that you didn't pay the .05 per side for Chart Trader or Dynamic SuperDOM, and before the 0.01 per side increase for NFA fees, so you got 1.65 per side + .10 per side = 1.75 per side = 3.5 R/T.

No doubt 3.62 is still a great commission and I'm definitely going with them, but I'm wondering if I can get it down to 3.52.

Also, what margins do you have trading the ES? Is your margin structure the same as Mirus, including the time-frame the day-trade margin is in effect?

Thanks Slipknot511!

You save about 1.00 over the other typical brokers per R/T.

Take 6 trades per day at 3 contracts @ 16 days and it is a savings of: 288.00 per month roughly

Nice to have an extra 288.00 no doubt, but not that big of a deal to me in savings unless I either trade more contracts or taking a lot more trades in a month.

Thanks for the info and will keep an eye out when I start trading more contracts again.

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 Big Mike 
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Was just checking out of curiosity: Velocity is @ 3.60/rt for level 1 commissions on ES if you have your own NT license.

But you should pick your broker on a number of factors, naturally, I was just curious to see how the price compared.

Mike

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 hoeman 
VT, USA
 
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Was just checking out of curiosity: Velocity is @ 3.60/rt for level 1 commissions on ES if you have your own NT license.

But you should pick your broker on a number of factors, naturally, I was just curious to see how the price compared.

Mike

@Big Mike

This is strange, I just spoke to live chat at Velocity and this is what I got

Operator 4 says:
Hello JH. My name is Operator 4 how can I help you?
JH says:
Hi, I have a question about commissions with NT
Operator 4 says:
sure
JH says:
So level 1 commission is 3.80 R/T with NT for ES
JH says:
and I have read elsewhere that if you have your own license, level 1 is 3.60 R/T
JH says:
now my question is that does that mean if I don't have my own license, NT will be leased to me and I will have to pay 3.80 R/T? Is that NT the full version?
JH says:
or is it 3.80 R/T for NT Direct Live which lacks all ATM functionality and a lot of other goodies.
Operator 4 says:
we do not have anything to do with the license key that you obtain from NT. The commission is still the same if you lease or own the license key from NT. for the ES it is 3.80 per R/T

???

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Just go to velocity's website, check commission. Don't click on NinjaTrader, just on FIX (TT_FIX). You might also email my Velocity rep to confirm I know what I am talking about. But again, go with whoever makes you comfortable and you are happiest with. My rep is @Dale Box, it's dbox <at> velocityfutures <dot> com.

BTW I mean to remove NinjaTrader from the equation as far as Velocity is concerned. You need to buy NT from NT, then just connect the TT adapter (FIX).

Mike

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 hoeman 
VT, USA
 
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Just go to velocity's website, check commission. Don't click on NinjaTrader, just on FIX (TT_FIX). You might also email my Velocity rep to confirm I know what I am talking about. But again, go with whoever makes you comfortable and you are happiest with. My rep is @Dale Box, it's dbox <at> velocityfutures <dot> com.

BTW I mean to remove NinjaTrader from the equation as far as Velocity is concerned. You need to buy NT from NT, then just connect the TT adapter (FIX).

Mike

Ah-ha, lol, I see that now. Sorry for being the idiot that I am. Wow, that is so strange isn't it. One can very well just get that and buy NT to get an overall cheaper schedule than their NT schedule.

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 MetalTrade 
 
Posts: 1,055 since May 2010


Mike, you forget to add $0,1 if you trade ninjatrader on velocity. That adds another $0.2 RT. Even if you don't use the static dom, you have to pay $0.1 for the TT datafeed license per side.

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