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Old May 28th, 2011, 12:17 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Today's lesson - Stochastics

Hi traders,

Today I will explain how I use the Stochastic indicator in my methodology. With some screen time and study in the off hours I believe you to may discover like I have that the Stochastic indicator tells you more than maybe you 1st thought when you understand it this way.

Many books out there explain the divergence as the key signal on this. They are correct but I feel they describe it the wrong way and causes you to have a lot of losing trades, at least I did in the past.

There are 2 types of divergences a "Standard Divergence" and a "Hidden Divergence"


Standard Divergence - Price makes a lower low and the Stochastic makes a higher low or price makes a higher high and the Stochastic makes a lower high.

Hidden Divergence - Price makes a double bottom or a higher low and the Stochastic makes a lower low, or price makes a double top or lower high and Stochastic makes a higher high

As I have made mention of in this forum and my manual I never ever take a trade aginst the trend of the 1508 chart. I also follow the rule you can't be in an uptrend making lower lows - nor can you be in an downtrend making higher highs. These rules must be followed to be successful with this system. This sytem is not the only way to trade successfully I know, but it is the way I make money.

So with that in mind my rules are going to self eliminate a lot of the divergence signals and will most likely have you trading on the right side of the market. I in essence am using the Stochastic to confirm entries on the well talked about "W" bottoms and "M" tops that occur WITH the trend not against it.


take a look at this trade, this is 1 of the trades that setup yesterday that I missed because I was bored - lol

1. look at this 1508 chart the candle with the green 3 arrows under it, it is the 1st bar that closed making a higher high. the body of the candle closed above the prior lower high marked as "LH" on the chart

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2. Now look at this 377 chart - it will seem confusing at first as it is probably language you have not heard or read before but this is the difference between watching indicators and trading price action

1. look at where I have marked the LH and then the HH, this is what I mean by always looking left to trade on the right
2. Now Remember the rule "You can't be in a downtrend making higher highs, we just made a higher high - right
3. My rules state "ZIGZAG can't make a higher high in a downtrend retracement if it does a Stochastic divergence must take place to consider a trade"
4. Now if you look at the candle that has the 3 red arrows on it and look down at the Stochastic that is a standard divergence on a double top, thats a trade entry ? or is it
5. that candle with the 3 red arrows is where the bar closed on the 1508 that made a higher high so NO it is not a trade but many inexperienced traders went short there. Remember the 1508 chart MUST be right and you must always be aware of where price is on it
6. On the 377 now look 4 bars to the right of the 3 arrow bar. You now have a triple top and another divergence in the Stochastic. this time it is a hidden divergence as %K of the Stochastic made a higher high than the previous swing but price did not make a higher high. remember again the 1508 chart has already made a higher so we are looking for a retrace to get long - but yet again inexperienced traders went short here again thinking well the 1st short did not work the big money just ran their stops.
7. if need be look at the 1508 chart again and notice the red down candle that comes back to test the 13 MA 2 bars to the right of the green arrows bar
8. go back to the 377 and notice point #1 and point 2. it is a double bottom - right
9 compare points 4 & 5 on the Stochastic below - that is the hidden divergence price makes a double bottom Stochastic makes a lower low - look for entry here
10. Look at point #3 the candle closes above the trigger lines and the Keltner is leaning up, go long on the close of that bar.
11. inexperienced traders lost on 2 short trades and we were patient and went long and made $525 as the inexperienced traders got caught on the wrong side of the market by not understanding price action

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I know that seems very confusing to some - but do some home work and look for this pattern it happens everyday somewhere

Lets look at a couple of more that are not so complex as that one was

I have only posted the 377 chart as take my word for it the 1508 was setup right

1. Look at point #1 & 2 you have a lower high and see where the Stochastic is
2. Look at points 3 & 4 price makes a higher high and so does the Stochastic - no trade entry there
3. Look at points 5 & 6 price makes a double top Stochastic makes a standard divergence lower high - see it go short
4. If you miss that one look at points 7 & 8 price makes a lower high look at the ZigZag swings to the immediate left
5. Stochastic makes a higher high does it not, go short

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please study your charts and see these patterns they are very powerful and a big part of my methodology nuances

please ask questions here or at my email boothcj@comcast.net. if sending a question by email please add a snapshot of your charts so I can verify your understanding of these patterns


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Old May 28th, 2011, 01:15 PM   #42 (permalink)
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trailing stop technique

Hi Traders,

I just wanted to share quickly a technique i use once in a trade.

As I have mentioned by initial stop is never more than 12 ticks

With that said lets say you go short in this example as candles are moving in my favor my stop does not move. It is in the real world unlikely that a trade will run 21 ticks without you having to survive minor pullbacks in the move.

As any candle or a series of them move against your position in this case a short wait until the retrace is completed signified by a down candle closing BELOW the LOW of the last up candle, when this occurs move your stop 2 ticks above the high of the last up bar in the retracement

Continue doing this until profit target is reached or stopped out.

If you go long you use the same technique by moving your stop 2 ticks below the last down bars low after an up candle closes above the last down bars high

this technique works very well and minimizes your loss better

This is my last post for today, come back tomorrow when i post some information concerning the IchiCloud indicator

     
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Old May 28th, 2011, 02:51 PM   #43 (permalink)
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timeframe


You emailed/mentioned the session template to use. Is there a particular time you trade that is better than another?

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Old May 28th, 2011, 03:26 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Hi,

I personally trade the 6E from 2 a m to as late as 1:00 pm central time

As far as the best time it would be from 2 - 5 in the morning and then from 7 - noon again central times as I live outside Chicago

the 5 - 7 morning slot can still offer trading oppurtunities but this time is much like the U S dulldrooms period as trading really slows down and can become very choppy if the markets movement is not news driven.

Also be very carefull when you get set to trade if there has been a huge move I mean 100 + points during the Asian session. the Europeans seem to go into shock and trading is very choppy from 2-5

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Hi traders,

Today I will explain how I use the Stochastic indicator in my methodology. With some screen time and study in the off hours I believe you to may discover like I have that the Stochastic indicator tells you more than maybe you 1st thought when you understand it this way.

Many books out there explain the divergence as the key signal on this. They are correct but I feel they describe it the wrong way and causes you to have a lot of losing trades, at least I did in the past.

There are 2 types of divergences a "Standard Divergence" and a "Hidden Divergence"


Standard Divergence - Price makes a lower low and the Stochastic makes a higher low or price makes a higher high and the Stochastic makes a lower high.

Hidden Divergence - Price makes a double bottom or a higher low and the Stochastic makes a lower low, or price makes a double top or lower high and Stochastic makes a higher high

As I have made mention of in this forum and my manual I never ever take a trade aginst the trend of the 1508 chart. I also follow the rule you can't be in an uptrend making lower lows - nor can you be in an downtrend making higher highs. These rules must be followed to be successful with this system. This sytem is not the only way to trade successfully I know, but it is the way I make money.

So with that in mind my rules are going to self eliminate a lot of the divergence signals and will most likely have you trading on the right side of the market. I in essence am using the Stochastic to confirm entries on the well talked about "W" bottoms and "M" tops that occur WITH the trend not against it.


take a look at this trade, this is 1 of the trades that setup yesterday that I missed because I was bored - lol

1. look at this 1508 chart the candle with the green 3 arrows under it, it is the 1st bar that closed making a higher high. the body of the candle closed above the prior lower high marked as "LH" on the chart

Attachment 39485

2. Now look at this 377 chart - it will seem confusing at first as it is probably language you have not heard or read before but this is the difference between watching indicators and trading price action

1. look at where I have marked the LH and then the HH, this is what I mean by always looking left to trade on the right
2. Now Remember the rule "You can't be in a downtrend making higher highs, we just made a higher high - right
3. My rules state "ZIGZAG can't make a higher high in a downtrend retracement if it does a Stochastic divergence must take place to consider a trade"
4. Now if you look at the candle that has the 3 red arrows on it and look down at the Stochastic that is a standard divergence on a double top, thats a trade entry ? or is it
5. that candle with the 3 red arrows is where the bar closed on the 1508 that made a higher high so NO it is not a trade but many inexperienced traders went short there. Remember the 1508 chart MUST be right and you must always be aware of where price is on it
6. On the 377 now look 4 bars to the right of the 3 arrow bar. You now have a triple top and another divergence in the Stochastic. this time it is a hidden divergence as %K of the Stochastic made a higher high than the previous swing but price did not make a higher high. remember again the 1508 chart has already made a higher so we are looking for a retrace to get long - but yet again inexperienced traders went short here again thinking well the 1st short did not work the big money just ran their stops.
7. if need be look at the 1508 chart again and notice the red down candle that comes back to test the 13 MA 2 bars to the right of the green arrows bar
8. go back to the 377 and notice point #1 and point 2. it is a double bottom - right
9 compare points 4 & 5 on the Stochastic below - that is the hidden divergence price makes a double bottom Stochastic makes a lower low - look for entry here
10. Look at point #3 the candle closes above the trigger lines and the Keltner is leaning up, go long on the close of that bar.
11. inexperienced traders lost on 2 short trades and we were patient and went long and made $525 as the inexperienced traders got caught on the wrong side of the market by not understanding price action

Attachment 39488

I know that seems very confusing to some - but do some home work and look for this pattern it happens everyday somewhere

Lets look at a couple of more that are not so complex as that one was

I have only posted the 377 chart as take my word for it the 1508 was setup right

1. Look at point #1 & 2 you have a lower high and see where the Stochastic is
2. Look at points 3 & 4 price makes a higher high and so does the Stochastic - no trade entry there
3. Look at points 5 & 6 price makes a double top Stochastic makes a standard divergence lower high - see it go short
4. If you miss that one look at points 7 & 8 price makes a lower high look at the ZigZag swings to the immediate left
5. Stochastic makes a higher high does it not, go short

Attachment 39489

please study your charts and see these patterns they are very powerful and a big part of my methodology nuances

please ask questions here or at my email boothcj@comcast.net. if sending a question by email please add a snapshot of your charts so I can verify your understanding of these patterns

I read your thread, great rules, attached is a chart, it made HH after LH in a down trend, but if we trade retrenchment after HH, it will become disaster. thanks

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Old May 28th, 2011, 05:52 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I read your thread, great rules, attached is a chart, it made HH after LH in a down trend, but if we trade retrenchment after HH, it will become disaster. thanks

I see your chart is a 1000 tick, I use a 377 & 1508. if you want to use a different time frames thats fine but you must still use 2 time frames with the higher time fram 4 times higher than the chart you are trading.

you must be able to confirm trend in a higher time frame

by just looking at the 1000 tick you sent me there is no way you should consider a long after that HH retracement because the market is clearly in a downtrend looking at that 1 chart. You would wait for a new LL then a LH retrace to short it

I can also tell that the HH point of the retracement was an ABCD retrace something I will be discussing in tomorrows lesson

     
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Old May 28th, 2011, 05:58 PM   #47 (permalink)
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great

thank you, looking forward to your discussion, I like PA trading.

     

Old May 29th, 2011, 11:58 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Stochastics Post #41

Charles-

This was a great walk through using the hidden divergence of stochastics. Thank you.

I have attached, I believe, an article on Hidden Divergence.

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Old May 29th, 2011, 02:26 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Ichimoku cloud

Hi Traders,

Today I would like to present some information about the Ichimoku Cloud for you and how I use it within my methodology

I'm not going to give a history lesson here but this indicator was developed by the Japanese to trade specifically the Forex market, I don't trade Forex but I do trade the Forex futures. Although the mathmatics that make up this indicator is very complex and way over my head it is based using moving averages.

there are several key points of this indicator that got my attention a few months ago and after studying them and how price reacts to them this indicator has played a key role in my methodology

1. the higher the time frame it is on the more reliable the indicator is. So the indicator on the 1508 has greater importance than the one on the 377 chart.

2. the top edge of the cloud and the bottom edge of the cloud provide dynamic support and resistance levels that should be noticed at all times

3. anytime either edge of the cloud has gone sideways for an extended period this represents a strong level of support & resistance and can cause a trend to continue or it can stop a moving trend in it's tracks. these levels need to be watched carefully when looking left before trading on the right.

4. When the cloud is blue the under lying bias in the market is to the upside, this does not mean that you can't take a short when the cloud is blue. It means the bias is up and when you do take a short your management of the trade needs to be very tight. The opposite is true when the cloud is red the bias is down and any long trades must be managed tightly. Never be afraid to take 4 ticks on a trade when it shows potential failure, 4 tick gain is better than a 10 tick loss.

5. Long trades that occur by price bouncing off a blue cloud are the trades that have the highest probability of going 21 ticks, Same on a short when prices bounce off of a red cloud this is a very high probability trade

I am going to show some examples here of how I use the cloud, but 1st I want you to perform an excercise. open your Ninja charts and load 90 days of data on the 1508 chart. Next I want you to slowly drag the chart back and just notice how many times price pulls back to the cloud is rejected and price continues to trend off of it. This is the magic of the Ichimoku Cloud it offers key support & resistance I have not seen with any other indicator.


Here are 2 charts that show where short high probability trades occur - the cloud is red and price pulls back to it

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here are a couple of charts that show where long high probability trades occur, the cloud is blue and price pulls back to it

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the following is a prime example of the caution you need to use when trading against the bias of the market.

Note - I did not say counter trend trade I said against the bias. I do not take counter trend trades

this is a classic setup for my trend reversal trade where the trend has already reversed - hence not counter trend - and I am trying to catch some buy cover money or short covering money

#1 notice the new lower low, uptrend has reversed
#2 for the trade to qualify the retrace must pull back to the MA or the top of the cloud, it does not no trade
#3 we make a new lower low just nudging under the blue cloud - which is support
#4 retrace pulls back to 13 MA, this where you would go short on the 377, but notice the trade failed almost immediately

Why - I would have taken this trade for a small loss but would have been watching for any immediate rejection on the bottom edge of the cloud, I was trading into support it must break or you get out of the trade before your stop is hit. That is managing the trade tightly, also notice the bottom edge of the cloud had been moving sideways for an extended period which signifies strong support.

lets move forward on the same chart

#5 price swings up to make a new higher high and then pulls down to point #6 which is a lower low

You starting to see how the cloud is telling you what to look for

#6 again referencing point 6 you see the lower low and this one is below the blue cloud which means price has broken support
#7 this retracement pulls back to the bottom edge of the blue cloud which means now the bottom edge is resistance you go short here and win 21 ticks

Although the cloud is blue in this winning trade example you are trading off of resistance instead of trading into support

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A broker told me a long time ago that to be successful in daytrading you must learn not to rely on indicators but instead have a method that gives you a high probable area that buyers or sellers will come in to the market and look for an entry at that point. By the time an indicator tells you to get in you have missed the prime entry point. I have never forgotten that conversation that took place almost 2 years ago but it took me much longer to understand it

The Ichimoku Cloud gives you dynamic support & resistance levels look to buy at support sell at resistance

study your charts look for these points and please ask me questions if you need further assistance in understanding this


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Old May 29th, 2011, 04:27 PM   #50 (permalink)
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ABCD complex retrace


Hi Traders

my next lesson will be on identifying a very strong trend continuation signal that is well known but often over looked by traders because they think the trend is reversing and they don't take the signal.

When combined with the Ichimoku Cloud and you recognize the pattern you will have more confidence in taking the trade

this signal is called the ABCD retrace and it is validated by AB=CD meaning the 1st swing A-B is the same lenght as the last swing C=D

You only want to take this trade if the pattern sets up on the 1508 chart. the pattern does occaisonally appear on the 377 but is not as reliable. remember my last post on the cloud - when patterns appear on the higher time frame they are more valid than a short time frame

Allow me to post a chart 1st and show you the pattern then I will explain it

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1. Notice point A it is a new lower low, had this been an uptrend point A must be a new higher high
2. Point B does not reach the MA or Cloud and price turns back down
3. Point C is a higher low - but what is important in ALL these patterns is that point C - CANNOT make a lower low or if this was an uptrend it CANNOT make a higher high
4. Price turns up again and what do you know price moves to the 13 MA, What is important here though is that the 1st swing up and the 2nd swing up is the same lenght, look at the ZigZag swings.

This is a pattern that almost always results in a lower low or higher high and can be the easiest money you will ever make.

But wait you say Zig Zag made a higher high and that is not a trade. Anytime you see a failure swing meaning the trend does not make a new low or a new high on a swing check that next swing to see if it stops at an equal to the 1st swing most of the time it won't which voids the signal.

these signals do not occur often but when they do they are quite powerful

open the picture again if you need to and look over to the left around the 11:03 area reference the time scale at the bottom of the chart, look up is that an ABCD retrace in the uptrend - see those tight ZigZag swings that conclude just above the cloud and slightly below the 13 MA

The answer is no, the last swing down is longer than the 1st the pattern is void

this pattern occurs for more than the reason we call stop running. the big money needs traders on the wrong side of the market for their orders to get filled at the price they want. thus they get in a few of their contracts and make the inexperienced traders think this is a higher low and they go "OH a higher low its a reversal signal go long", then the big money has the inexperienced traders on the wrong side and they hit the market hard with their orders. Next thing you know the inexperienced traders stops are being hit which is throwing fuel on the fire for the big money trade.

We on the other hand know that the market is an a downtrend by using the Ichimoku Cloud and we would not be interested in the least at trading that higher low we would be looking for the ABCD or waiting for the trend reversal trade which can't take place until higher highs are formed inside the cloud

Again this is a rather advanced trade in price action analysis. You possibly might want to avoid this trade if you are new to trading but at the same time notice it after the fact if need be and after time you will see it set up on the right edge.

Again I encourage questions if you need help

Charles

     

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