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 chipwitch 
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Do all trading platforms display accurate stats on trades? If so, do you have a workaround for getting accurate stats? Is it just Ninjatrader that has erroneous stats?

If you are unfamiliar with this problem, it is all about garbage in, garbage out. This problem starts with how they define "trade." If I place an order for 10 contracts of ES, I consider that one single trade. Ninjatrader does not. If the exchange breaks up my order to match with the other side, my 10 contracts will end up looking something like this:

2 contracts ES
1 contract ES
2 contracts ES
5 contracts ES

... for a total of 10 contracts. That one trade just resulted in 4 consecutive wins! LOL. NT recognizes that as 4 trades, all executed at the same time and price for entry and exit. This skews just about ALL data calculated on the trade performance summary page! Anything that relies on the "number of trades" for the calculation will be affected. Win%, Sortino and Sharpe ratios, MAE, MFE, largest consecutive winner/loser, and on and on. The NT Trade Performance summary tab is utterly useless if you trade with more than single contract trades. Is your platform the same way? Which one do you use? I've talked to NT support about this and they're dismissive. They deny responsibility, preferring to blame the exchanges. Given the complexity of trading platforms and the thousands of lines of code they had to write, one would think a few more to get the summary data right would be in order.

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I just posted a reply in your journal thread after you mentioned this issue there.
In that post I suggested the Jigsaw platform or Journalytix for logging results. I can also download that Journalytix data and put it in a spreadsheet of my own which is what I do.
Tradervue Journaling is another trade stats recording service which is easy for Ninja users as it has automatic data collection (and and Elite Member discount). That jounaling tool can count trades as flat to flat or individually.

Trading platform wise, I use Tradovate but that counts trades in the same way as Ninja, partial fills are counted as separate trades (which is why I download the Journalytix data, as like you I compare size of winning trades to losing trades, win rate, number of trades which can't be done if trades larger than one lot are often broken up).

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